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Posted 6/30/2008 4:58:17 PM


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Any tips on keeping a king hooked up ?? or is it just luck ??

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:05:15 PM


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Point your rod at him and let him run.


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Posted 6/30/2008 5:13:16 PM


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That almost seems to ez , what ever way hes pulling just point my rod that way and let him run, for how long?

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:15:14 PM
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BL are you using a "stinger" hook as well?

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:19:09 PM


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use a stinger, a soft tip rod and reel with high line capacity, back off on the drag and point the rod tip at him, let 'em run 

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:21:36 PM


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no stinger hook, i just learn how to make a leader, now i need to

change?? ok, you have never steered me wrong, now how do i

put a stinger hook on???

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:28:12 PM
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this is one way of doing it,,hook your bait with the main hook then just stick 1 of the trebles in the baits tail and hang on..easy and effective...there are other ways to do it but this would be a good way for you to start out...(i think)...maybe more people will have a better idea....



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Posted 6/30/2008 5:31:55 PM


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Will this work with live bait, and can you use a treable hook

on both??

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:34:04 PM
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yes and yes...if you live baiting you might want to put the main hook in the tail and stinger through the nose ...that will allow the bait to swim more naturally and freely..

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If the hooks pulling chances are you are putting to much pressure on the fish..You should have enough line..loosen your drag a little and let him run..

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Posted 6/30/2008 5:40:13 PM


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Just keep steady constant pressure on the fish and don'r horse him and you should have no problems.

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Posted 6/30/2008 6:01:54 PM
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King Macs have sharp teeth but soft flesh in their mouths......  So, a pullout can happen....  As others have said, use a stinger and let him run after the bite....   THEN, get ready....He is usually gonna come right back at you at full speed...........Reel in like crazy.......  If you have a bottom rig down, wraparounds are guaranteed....

After catching one I bend the barbs on the treble hook down....This allows easy release and the fish appreciates it....

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Lever drag reel is a real plus for kings,etc. You dont have to spend a fortune to on one like a Penn International. If you don't get out any more often than most of us working schmucks, Pfluger makes one that is good enough. It really makes a difference when tweaking up the drag without getting too carried away.

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Posted 6/30/2008 6:26:44 PM


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I'm sitting here in the floor making rigs for the next tourney right now......

do not put the stinger in the head and j hook in the tail of a live bait, kings instinctively hit the tail of a trolled or even freelined live bait.  there are a few ways around it, if a king hits and misses, immediately freespool and chances are it will come back.  like I said by nature, they try and cut the tail off and return for the rest.  if you have stinger's in the tail, you don't have to wait for the return.  In some 12 yrs of tournament king fishing, I've never caught a king with the lead hook in it's mouth.

I use 3, 4 and 5 hook rigs depending on the bait and size of what I'm using.  All the baits we use are large, avg being a 2# hardtail and up to a 36" long ribbonfish.  I took a hardtail to the scales of the ADSFR last yr that just happened to be left over in the livewell at the end of the day and it weighed 4.98#, I would have used him in a heart beat if we where running short on baits.

I'll post a pic or two shortly on one of my rigs.  It's quite a bit smaller than most use but work well for us......

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Posted 6/30/2008 6:33:21 PM
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Scott thanks for the clarification....i have never trolled 1 rigged like i mentiond,only while freelining.....glad you brought that up about them hitting tail first either way.....thanks again

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a typical haywire twist/wrap

a ribbon fish rig, smaller baits......less hooks



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scott, what is the advantage of using "multiple stingers"  - vs - using one longer stinger with treble sliders? i saw teams using the multiple stinger rigs in fourchon. it would seem to me that is one more additional point of failure.  

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Scott..good looking rigs there....thanks for setting me straight......old man once told me once you think you have everything figured out about fishing you need to go sit down with a old salt.......god i wish he was still around for me to do that......but i guess thats why there are folks like yourself that doesnt mind helping people out....thx again ...tight lines

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Posted 6/30/2008 7:42:46 PM


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Lever drag reel is a real plus for kings,etc. You dont have to spend a fortune to on one like a Penn International. If you don't get out any more often than most of us working schmucks, Pfluger makes one that is good enough. It really makes a difference when tweaking up the drag without getting too carried away.

I agree, I have a 4/0 Pfluger bought at Boaters World for $99.00 and I love it. You are right about that lever drag, it's so nice. But fight him easy, the harder you fight him the better your chance of loosing him. Keep all the slack out of your line.

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Posted 6/30/2008 7:56:33 PM


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Thanks guys, this is really alot of good info, yall are the best , hands down
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Posted 6/30/2008 7:59:42 PM


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My rig for kings is a Penn 850ss and a 7' Slamer rod, is this good or bad????

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Posted 6/30/2008 8:18:27 PM


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That's a fine fig - what # line - 17# is a great test as you only want 2-4#'s of drag.

Hard to watch your spool ZZZzzzzzz for 10-20 seconds just hold your hand out like you have your pole in it and count 1 one thousand, 2... to 15 seems like the world's goes around once - and resist the URGE to tighten it down.... Large line capacity but you'll bring'em in.

Caught this one on a very similar setup Spheros 12000 spinning reel 7' rod.




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Thats a great King set up. Reel them like your hitting a chip shot on the green ..Soft hands

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i guess it's just a matter of preference.  i know that i've caught just as many kings with not a single hook in his mouth and 4 all the way down the side....very rarely do we have a failure at the twist connections, normally if there is a failure, it's the wire itself between the hooks......in other words, my haywire twists are it....

those hooks are alot smaller than most teams use, 1/0 ringed tuna tamer, #4's and single #6 at the end but they are 6X's and you can't find them anywhere locally.  this rig works well enough that Dan caught both of his 70# hoo's with just the #6 stinger in it's mouth.  Lou's daughter even caught a 9' hammer on these rigs.  I've been making these basically the same for about two years with very few mods and they work for use.  We have had a few wire breaks lately but like I said they've all been on the wire, not a wrap.

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sweet scott. i may actually try a few like that. we have had some wire failures lately too... i can't quite place my finger on why though..   i am making some minor mods to determine what it may be.  hopefully we'll get a handle on it soon. i need some more points.

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we don't use spinner's or lever drag reels on kings.  everything we use is high line capacity, high speed star drags.  we don't change the drags so we go to pretty extreme length's at setting up every rod and drag exactly the same and once the drags are heated and digitally set where we want them, everyone on board knows not to touch a drag or thumb a spool.  I want everything the same on every rod so I can pick up two rods with fish on them and make a decision on which fish to chase

maybe I go overboard compared to some guys but every reel is respooled at least every other tourney, every reel is disassembled, cleaned, inspected and lubed every other tourney and rebuilt at least annually.

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  In some 12 yrs of tournament king fishing, I've never caught a king with the lead hook in it's mouth.

That's interesting. We used to fish a single 6/0 hook on our short bait and caught a lot of fish on it. Bait looked great with just that single hook through his nose. We would free spool him when he ate it, but it seems like bigger fish don't miss the bait very often. As far as all the advice for fishing very light drags for kingfish I tend to dissagree. We used to (when we fished mackerel tournaments) put a lot of drag on the fish. 1/0 trebles and 30-40 lb line can handle a lot of heat. Seems like we ran in to a lot more problems when we let a good fish run all over the world than when we put the heat to him. I have always been curious as to why people put a smaller hook as the stinger? I alway figured that if you hooked him on the front hook he probably had both hooks, but if you hooked him on the back hook that would be the only one that had him, and I damn sure didn't want it to be a smaller hook. Interesting how different many people do it.

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scott, what is the advantage of using "multiple stingers"  - vs - using one longer stinger with treble sliders? i saw teams using the multiple stinger rigs in fourchon. it would seem to me that is one more additional point of failure.  

I too fish the multiple stingers so I'll tell you why...  We have someone on the boat that likes the single wire with "slider" hooks.  What I see as the main difference is that when we hook a king on the "slider" rig all of the hooks seem to pile up in one hook sot.  There is usually quite a wound in the fish by the time we land it.  With the multiple stingers every hook always has it's own hook point (on the fish) and more hooks seem to get in the fish.  I don't like how the sliders hook or fight the fish.

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Matt, it's sounds alot like the way I used to rig/fish for kings but the amount of changes I've seen in the past 5 or even 3 yrs for that matter has been huge.

I know alot of tournament angler's that still fish with 1/0 and 2/0 trebles and big leads.  Like I stated earlier, I use quite a bit smaller gear than some of the other anglers out there but I think it's all been part of the change in technology.   Just a quick example being the hooks we use and why.  You can take just about any 1/0 treble and bend two of the hooks together with you fingers.  The little #4 and #6 treble's we use, you can't do it.  In the past yr and a half we've been using them, we've caught everything from cobia, aj, multiple hoo at 60-70#, white marlin and a lot of good sized kings.  We've never bent a single hook.  That technology wasn't out there even 3 yrs ago.  These hooks are so small and sharp, they get into everything where with the larger hooks I would routinely have hooks in a multiple hook rig that didn't get into a fish.

As for the drags, I agree you can put a lot of heat on a fish and some still do but we found as we reduced the pressure through less drag and smaller/softer rods and focused on consistent pressure we where putting on a fish, we saw fewer lost fish due spitting the hooks or wire/line failure.  We saw such a dramatic change that we had a couple of 40 fish days last yr with zero lost fish.  I had never seen that kind of hook up/catch ratio's and was pretty convinced on how at least I wanted to rig.

Don't get me wrong,  I know the larger tackle/rigs work.  A whole lot of yrs ago when I first started really targeting kings was when I was pier fishing and deckhanding and did it just like everyone else.  But it's changed so much as technology has advanced and a good example would be for those who have been doing it a while, remember when all kingfishing was done anchored up, drifting or chumming.  You just don't see that done anymore, I can't remember the last time I saw an SKA guy anchored up.  I'm not saying it's the best or only way, it's just my way of doing things ......for now. 

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Posted 7/1/2008 8:14:35 AM


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Alright guys, back to my reel and line, i am useing Trilean big game 30# test (mono) i know its old school , but i have always

used it , my 850 is only going to hold so much line, whats strong

enough but will let me hold more line and would a smaller test help me cast better??? Rember i am fishing off the pier

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