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Posted 8/10/2008 10:07:46 AM
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Last night I was out on the beach with the GF and we decided to walk down the fishing pier.  We got to the end and over heard a conversation that a Sail was caught and killed last weekish sometime???????  Said he was around 60lbs?     Does anyone know about this or can deny this????  I mean I am not sure why I am shocked, they freaking kill one EVERY YEAR out there. 
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Posted 8/10/2008 10:10:24 AM


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So what is the problem, if someone wants to eat it. I see nothing wrong with that.

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Posted 8/10/2008 10:23:47 AM


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i've hooked sailfish out there before, never been able to get one to the dock, but i've got a few jumps.

we saw 11 in one day the year before last.

not sure if they caught one last week, i wouldn't doubt it though, water was clean


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Posted 8/11/2008 1:55:35 PM
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Anyone got any info yet?
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Posted 8/11/2008 2:07:40 PM


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lobsterman (8/10/2008)
So what is the problem, if someone wants to eat it. I see nothing wrong with that.

Do you think many pier anglers have a HMS permit to take a sail?

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:13:38 PM


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So what is the problem, if someone wants to eat it. I see nothing wrong with that.

Do you think many pier anglers have a HMS permit to take a sail?

 

i could be wrong but isnt hms permit only required in federal waters???

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:15:15 PM


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I don't know the answer, you might be right.

I know I needed one for the shark tourney last year and we never lost sight of land so I think it might apply to the fish caught not the waters it was caught in.

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:15:37 PM
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I don't believe you need an HMS for the pier, the permit is registered for a particular vessel.  Otherwise, pier fishers would also need the HMS permit to keep blackfin tuna.
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Posted 8/11/2008 2:21:55 PM
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you do not need a hms permit to keep black fin. you need one if you are going to kill a swordfish or any other marlin, yellow fin or blue fin. if you needed hms for black fin you would need one for and bonita also. here is something of their website

Yes, vessel owners/operators who recreationally fish for or retain regulated Atlantic tunas (bluefin, yellowfin, bigeye, albacore, and skipjack), sharks, swordfish, and billfish in Atlantic Federal waters, including the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean Sea, must obtain an HMS Angling category permit or a HMS Charter/Headboat permit. However, General category vessels may fish recreationally for HMS so long as they are participating in a registered recreational HMS tournament and fishing under tournament rules. Vessels fishing exclusively in state waters are required to obtain the HMS Angling permit if they wish to keep their regulated tunas (bluefin, yellowfin, bigeye, skipjack, and albacore). Vessel owners/operators should check their state regulations regarding the retention of sharks, swordfish, and/or billfish in state waters

                                                                                                                                                                  

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:21:58 PM


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You do not need a HMS permit for blackfin, whether you are in state or federal waters. You do for most other species of tuna though.

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:24:22 PM


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 if you needed hms for black fin you would need one for skip jack and bonita also.[/quote]

You do have to have one for skipjack tuna but not bonita.

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:26:48 PM


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I found this as well.  I guess it pertains to fishing from shore.  Although it doesn't mention billfish.

May I fish for Atlantic tunas without a vessel (e.g., from an oil rig or from shore)?
A: No, only permitted vessels may fish for Atlantic bluefin, bigeye, albacore, yellowfin, and skipjack tunas in the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, and the Caribbean. If one of these species is caught incidentally during fishing activities from shore or from an oil rig, it must be released immediately.

Then I find this as well:

Do I need the federal HMS angling permit if I only fish for sharks, billfish, or swordfish in state waters?
A: Presently, the federal HMS angling permit is not required to fish for HMS species, except tunas, in state waters. Fishermen should abide by state regulations when fishing in state waters.

So I guess you do not need a HMS permit for billfish from the pier.  But you would need one for any Tuna.

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:32:50 PM


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Believe it or not, they do occasionally catch bluefin up to 50lbs or so from the surf or jetties in certain parts of the northeast.

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:35:05 PM
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It reads as though it looks to what you're "targeting" and not what you're fishing from.

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:36:31 PM


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well from just getting off the phone with FWC and talking to 3 agents none of them had a answer,so they are going to research it and call me back....

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:44:18 PM


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HMS permits are issued for the boat, not for the individual.  Don't know how you'd  get one to fish from the pier.
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Posted 8/11/2008 2:50:03 PM


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just got the call and they said you do not need a HMS to catch a sailfish IF you catch one from a pier..........

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Posted 8/11/2008 2:52:22 PM
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whether you need a permit or not, how can you measure the fish to know for sure it is legal to retain it off of the pier????  I have no problem with the pier catching them, and congrats when they do, but I do have a problem with them being killed.  Why does billfish conservation have to stop at the pier????  I don't even know what the legal limit of sails or whites are because it is no doubt there are going to be pics taken with the fish boat side, tagged and released.  Just my opinion
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Posted 8/11/2008 3:32:56 PM


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I think most sailfish that are 60 pounds dont need to be measured... As for the pier fisherman killing a sail, it is no different that a hardcore blue water fisherman killing a grander to win a tournament!  In fact the odds of a pier fisherman having any impact on the marlin fisherie are slim to none.  The people who dipnet the baby sails and marlin in the hydro glow lights are just as guilty!

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Posted 8/11/2008 4:03:56 PM
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very good point.  And yes I agree if the fish was 60ish then ok, no need to break out the tape.  I am just for conservation of them.  I mean we blue water fisherman put tons of time and money into catch and release to ensure there is at least a chance of someone else enjoying the fun.  Just bringing up the point of why can't it carry over to the pier.  So should we kill tarpon off of the pier as well?????  Kinda roll reversal.  I know inshore people want them released to keep that fishing good.  Just my thoughts
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Posted 8/11/2008 4:45:10 PM


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Im not saying that keeping sailfish is the answer I'm just saying its not gonna make a huge impact and if it is legal then its legal.  As for the tarpon I have probably seen 200+ tarpon caught on okaloosa pier over the last 5 years and only one of them was killed...it was beached for a picture and released but it died.  Do you think that for every 200 blue marlin caught only 1 is killed?  I dont.  People on the pier dont kill tarpon and they dont have a big enough impact on the marlin fisherie to create a big deal about it.  I am a pier/bluewater/spear fisherman by the way not just a pier fisherman.

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Posted 8/11/2008 4:49:48 PM
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also when a grander is killed for a tourny the fish goes to scienceto help us understand them more then goes to feed homeless people. i bet most sailfish that are killed off a pier are killed just for the pic and also if there is one sail fish killed on every pier then that would be a impact

                                                                                                                                                                  

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I dont believe in keeping fish unless you eat them...so if it was just for the picture than that is wrong...otherwise its not wrong.  Those granders/tourny winners are not killed for science or for homeless people...its for money!  Thats what they say to justify it.

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Posted 8/11/2008 5:15:06 PM
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i understand that it is killed for money but it also donated

                                                                                                                                                                  

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I'm having manatee for dinner tonight. Would anyone like to come over?

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Posted 8/11/2008 5:28:44 PM
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good one tunapopper lol what time

                                                                                                                                                                  

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Posted 8/11/2008 5:31:33 PM


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I dont think it is legal to eat manatee

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Whenever, I eat them all the time!

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I'm having manatee for dinner tonight. Would anyone like to come over?

MANATEE MEAT INFORMATION

Tail - cut across the base of the tail just below abdomen
Flipper - sever the joints where flippers attach to body
Peduncle - meat from peduncle muscles
Torso - remaining meat from the back and ribs

Appearance of meat cuts

Tail - light pink to white with internal bands of hard white fat that appear circular in cross sections and run lengthwise near the tailbone
Flipper - darker in color with small fat deposits along tendons
Torso - similar to meat from tail but without fat bands

A* - top of neck, cube or use mallet
B* - neck meat, cube or use mallet
C - back, tender
D - body meat
E - peduncle, very tender
F - tailmeat, very tender
G* flipper meat, must cube or use mallet
* less tender cuts


Recipes

Manatee Balls
1 lb chopped manatee meat
1 egg
1 Tbsp finely chopped onions
2 Tbsps. finely chopped celery
1 Tbsp finely chopped parsley
2 Tbsps finely chopped shallots
2 Tbsps lemon pepper
1/2 Tsp salt
1/4 cup breadcrumbs
1 cup cooking oil Flour to dredge

Combine all ingredients, form into 1-inch balls. Allow to set for one hour. Dredge with flour and fry until brown. Serve hot.

Baked Manatee
6 manatee steaks
lemon juice
lemon slices
garlic powder
butter
chopped parsley
salt and pepper to taste

Arrange manatee steaks in an ovenware dish large enough to place in a single layer, sprinkle with salt, pepper and garlic. Squeeze lemon juice over steaks. Cut a generous amount of butter into squares and place over the steaks. Arrange lemon slices over the steaks and then sprinkle generously with parsley. Bake in a 375 F oven until steaks are cooked. Serve with french bread.

Grilled Manatee
2 lbs manatee steaks
1 Tbs. onion powder
1 Tbs. garlic salt
1 Tsp. butter for each steak

Season steaks with onion and garlic. Place in an aluminum pan ( or wrap and seal in aluminum foil ) on grill. Dot each steak with butter. Turn over half way through cooking. Cook over medium grill for 15 to 20 mins.

Burgers
5 lbs manatee meat, ground
2 onions minced
3 potatos diced small
3 bread slices diced small

Season with salt, pepper and garlic powder Mix all ingredients and form into patties. Pan fry until golden brown.

Manatee Broulettes
2 lbs manatee
2 egg yolks
1/2 bell pepper oil
2 stalks celery
salt and pepper to taste
milk
3 sllices of bread
2 onions
1 cup water

Grind together with the manatee, onions, celery, and bell pepper. Soak bread in milk and press out. Add to ground mixture. Add egg yolks and season to taste. Spoon into hot oil and brown. Remove and in another pot add the water and bring to a boil. Put in the broulettes in the water and steam on low heat for 35 minutes with a cover on.

Beer Fried manatee
1 lb manatee
flour

Trim meat and cut into finger sized pieces. Soak pieces in beer overnight. Drain. Deep fat fry until golden brown.

Manatee Spaghetti
3 lbs manatee meat
3-6 oz cans of tomato paste
4 Tsps salt
1 cup minced bell pepper
3/4 cup chopped parsley
2 cups minced onion
1/2 cup worchestershire sauce
1 lb mushroom stems and pieces
3 cans (2 lbs, 3 oz each) tomatoes
4 Tsps oregano
3 cloves minced garlic
2 Tbsps sweet basil
1/2 lb sliced bacon, diced
1-1/2 cups water
1/4 tsp tabasco

In a 4-6 quart pot, fry the bacon until crisp. Remove the bacon and all but 3 tbsp bacon grease. Add manatee meat which has been cut into 1 inch cubes and brown. (If using smoked manatee meat, omit this stage) Remove meat when brown and set aside. Sauté onions, drained mushrooms, bell pepper and garlic for 10 minutes. Stir in the tomatoes, tomato paste, water, worcestershire sauce, parsley, basil, oregano, salt and tabasco. Bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer, uncovered, stirring occasionally, for 3 hours or longer. Add reserved manatee meat and simmer until meat is tender. Serve over spaghetti with parmesan cheese. Sauce yield is approximately 5 quarts.

Manatee and Scallops
4 manatee steaks - 1 inch thick
1 egg
1 cup milk
1/2 cup butter

Trim all fat from steaks. Cut and pound steaks until 1" thin. Beat egg and add milk. Dip each piece into egg mixture. In a skillet, heat butter. Saute steaks on each side 2 to 4 minutes. Serve 'scallop sauce' over manatee steaks.

Soup Du Manatee
2 lbs manatee meat, cubed
2 tbsps oil
1 cup roux
1 cup onion, chopped
1 cup celery, chopped
2/3 cup bell pepper, chopped
1 lb can whole tomatoes in juice
1 lemon sliced across
1 tbsp salt
1 tsp garlic powder
1 tsp red pepper
1 tsp black pepper
2- inch cut basil sprigs
2 quarts water
4 tbsps parsley

Heat oil. Add roux, tomatoes and juice, onion, celery, bell peppers, lemon, seasonings and herbs. Stir well. Add water. Bring to a boil. Cover and simmer 2-1/2 hours or until meat is tender. Add parsley and simmer a few minutes more. Add dry sherry if desired when serving.

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Posted 8/12/2008 6:52:24 AM


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That is the best post I've ever seen on this forum. I do have to admit I cut mine a little differently, but in general that was very detailed.



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