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Trigger
 
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| I recently saw one of these HHO conversion kits strapped to the front of a minivan. Has anybody had any personal experience building or using one of these? What was the result? Just curious......there are videos on the net, but I was going for multiple input here. Thanks
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Snapper
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my friends grandfather has two of these on his truck with a 350 V8 and he is getting 28 mpg!! it has to be put together just right though. otherwise it wont work too great for a long time. if you have the time then give it a shot i plan on doing one soon.
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The guy that lives next door to me has one on his E150 van and his Kia car. He paid $200.00 for the info and supplies to build them with very little results. He said that there are some type of prgrammer you have to buy to adjust your mass airflow meter to geta true gain from them.He also has a home made fuel additive he claims raised his milage from 25 to 32 in his Kia. If interested I will pass along this homemade additive( he paid alot for it too).
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Grouper
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shoot anything that will help I'd be interested in!
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Trigger
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| My son-in-law is making and selling about 3 to 5 of these a week. He manufactures the generator and has developed an electronic controller to adapt the computer for the change (leaning) of fuel/air mixture. He installs the entire kit, and it seems more of an add-on versus an integral modification. Actually I'm quite impressed (as I was a bit skeptical at first). He now has several venture capitalists funding continued development on through to marketing. His own vehicle mileage improved by 50% or so (as he tells me), and has a steady stream of demand. Anyway, I have no financial interest in this but if you want to call him, his name is Carl at 850-582-9600.
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Guy I work with has built a few of them improving everytime, he has his on a Ford Explorer and is getting 1200 miles to a tank. He is gonna build me one for my Z71 when I can get the time to get over there.
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| I fabricate a lot of the acrylic boxes my customers are using for their H2 generators. There are a lot of people hyped up about this now but you don't see much press on them. I have 2 units on my 1999 F150 -ran it for about 6 weeks and had no improvement in mileage but did seem to run smoother and have more power. Later model vehicles with computers need a MAP or MAF sensor enhanser to send an offset to the computer so when the O2 sensor in the exhaust sees more oxygen it doesn't cause the computer to pump in more unneeded gas. In effect it makes it run more lean. This is my next attempt but I want to make sure I do it right so I don't screw up my computer ($$$). Also, I used stainless rigging cable and it lasted about 6 weeks. I'm going with the plates next time.
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White Marlin
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| Is this the baking soda generator you guys are talking about??? also what does one of those kits sell for?? I've seen a few on the internet..
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Mingo
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I have been checking these out, and have built a small one myself, but I seriously doubt that it can increase fuel mileage by a noticeable amount. It just does not make any sense that if it can improve mileage like people claim, then why dont the big car companies and big aftermarket companies make these systems? G.M. was surpassed by Toyota recently in automobile sales, if they could make such an inexpensive device that could do this much to improve mileage, then why would the U.S. automakers that are losing BILLIONS not use this in their designs. I just cant make sense out of it.
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| maybe they've tried it and in the long run, it wears down a motor twice as fast??? who knows, or they dont want the safety in it..
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Mingo
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| I considered that as well. Here is part of another thread I found on the net regarding this subject. I thought that he said it fairly well. "I see the myriad of ads for running your car on water. They are selling for $49.95 to over $1000. All making enormous claims. And even a few $5000 guarantees. How many have an address where you take the product back if it fails to operate? How many are guaranteeing your engine will not fail prematurely from these devices? One of the major suppliers of these HHO devices has done hard time for scamming people out of their hard earned money.
Legitimate products do not take long to end up in legitimate stores. Legitimate stores sell products that give legitimate results or your money back no questions asked. These devices have had legitimate entities test them and they are not being sold by legitimate dealers. That should give anyone a clue as to their value.
If they worked Honda would not be spending BILLIONS to make their hydrogen fuel cell vehicle affordable. They would just put a $50 device on an existing Honda Civic and you got an 80 MPG car that would outsell every car on the planet.
This has nothing to do with physics or rocket science. It is pure snake oil sales. And PT Barnum has to be sad he was born 100 years too early. " You have to admit, he has a very valid point, just as I said earlier, it is just too easy- The DOD or NASA or HONDA or TOYOTA or GM or FORD would have figured this out already, this process has been around since the 1800's. Remember that if the military could use this technology (if it really worked) they could save millions of gallons of fuel, which I can tell you the government would take advantage of. I was in Fallujia in 2004, and our convoys got bombed and attacked so badly that we almost completely ran out of fuel for our humvees etc. If there was an easy technology that could have made our fuel reserves go even 10% farther, we would have been using it!
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Mingo
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| I have been doing even more research, since this thread got my mind going. Here is a link to the only un-biased independent test from a reputable source that I have been able to find. It is from popular mechanics. They actually built an HHO generator and installed it in a teat vehicle- NO IMPROVEMENTS in mileage. I assume that there will be a mythbusters episode dedicated to this topic if there has not been one already. Anyway, here's the link http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4276846.html?series=19 I do know that the believers in this system will have an excuse for the lack of improvement in this specific test. They are likely to say that it will not be effective on a newer vehicle since the onboard computer will keep the vehicle from running lean enough to notice the difference, but I dont know if that argument has any merit either.
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Grouper
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| I'd be afraid of oxidation . Seems to me when you combine H with O, rust will occur . any chemistry majors out there ?
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By adding only Hydrogen you only gain minimal mpg gain, you have to add a computer board which can be make for only a few bucks that fakes out you O2 sensors. By doing this the computer is telling the truck to call for less gas and that is where the hydrogen comes into play. Less gas and the hyd takes place of the furl needed to run the vehicle. You can run small items off of 100% hyd. ny buddy has runs his all day long and has not used a drop of gas. You can do this with small items that does not have high horse power engines. As far as car dealers not doing this, they are. They have hydrogen fuel cell cars. There was a patent on this product/concept until the last few years or so.
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I for one have one of these hho units in my car. Quite frankly, I like tinkering with anything that saves Me money. This does. It simply requires a bit more maintenance. There are problems that can be solved. I put one on a tractor and immediately eliminated one problem. It doesnt have a computer that dictates how much fuel it takes to run the engine. My son is making one for His motorcycle, and there are a lot of small farmers aruond starting to look into it for machinery. I wont sell them, but I will tell anybody how to make them. That way they can experiment on their own. maybe somebody can perfect it. I am trying.
I made several of these hho generators. They work. For proof, find a ww2 motorpool mechanic and ask about boiling water for gas. Materials and procedures were different but they always had gas,even when the supply lines were in doubt. also check out water injection in ww2 fighter planes for high altitude power and fuel conservation. I retired from working a year ago and now have time to play with all the stuff My dad told Me about while He was alive. I got the chance to do a lot of research between the time I went into the military in 1963 and when I left in 1991. I dont use any chemicals except what there is in tap water
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