Plan to take 1/2 our TAC!

I am starting a new thread to share Win Win proposal ideas with all of you. Stay tuned!
Candy

From: bobzales
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:37 AM
To: bob2
Subject: debrief meeting
Importance: High

Please read the below. Apparently, the folks with the sos plan are changing tactics and intend to try to make the private rec folks think the sosers have their best interest at heart. I highlighted in red key statements by jarvis. One very quick answer to the issue mentioned at the beginning of his email, ALL, for hire fishing and recreational data, from state and federal waters whether federally permitted or not, is and has always been included in the MRFSS. Look at the red snapper landings for 07 and see where the feds said most red snapper came from, state waters. State water data is one of the many issues that have to be considered when discussing red snapper and other federally managed species.

For those who may not know, jbarger, is Jeff Barger who works for Environmental Defense. Apparently, according to this email, he is the editor of many of the communications some have received from jarvis and others. This is interesting behind the scenes info from someone who tells everyone that everything is open and above board.

Also for those who may not know, Andy is Andy Strelcheck, the NMFS staffer who works with most of the red snapper information and Bev, is Beverly Sauls who works for the FWRI in St Pete and works on all the recreational data for Florida and works with the Science and Technology folks of the NMFS in Silver Spring. She is also the Chairperson of the for-hire work group of the MRIP program. This meeting was held in Destin this past Tues and Wed. There were representatives of a Northeast commercial lobster fishery who use the electronic logbook system developed by Olfish, http://www.olfish.com/. This link will provide you the details of this company. As always, Andy was direct and to the point and does not mislead anyone with his knowledge of the current fishery issues. He still cannot tell us how many days of fishing will be projected for red snapper because all the data is still not available. Beverly is always informative and knows the data system and process extremely well and provided some good insight to those in attendance.

Keeping you informed,

Bob

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From: GJabd@aol.com
To: jbarger@edf.org
Subject: debrief meeting
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:02:16 +0000

JB , good meeting .A number of things were brought out. The issue of wether charter for hire state water guide boats were included in the MRFSS data concerning our TAC % history was discussed, we are going to find out if they are our are not and how they apply to our over all plan . We need to address this before the Jan Council meeting. On the issue of the over all meeting perceptions these were noted. 1) Andy was encouraging but also conservative so as not to get our hopes too high. 2) Bev was resistive at first but warmed up somewhat during the Log book presentation when all the bells and whistles were presented. 3) In our future discussion and e-mails of the plan, the words Zales, Bobie Walker and Present leadership must be removed from MY vocabulary ( compliments of Mike Eller throwing the BS flag on me). I promised him that as of this meeting I would not do it anymore. ( I had already sent the earlier e-mail this morning showing all Charter for Hire the FWC letters. Ha! ) 4) We need to have some discussion about general ideas for how we can help the private rec sector formulate a plan that works hand in hand with ours, this to make us look like the saviors of the recreational fisheries across the board.
Now to the media issue . First of all Mike,Scott and Tracy are going to put in writing a more complex explanation behind the motivation on why we want the different parts of the plan. When they finish they will send it to you to perform you editorial magic you have at your finger tips. When we start the public media approach we need to express in our info that we give out, that we are looking out for the majority of recreational anglers in our plan ,that we take millions of true recreational fishermen that fish with us. Also we need to begin to express the fact that Charter for hire fishermen from Florida and Alabama with help and input from Ms, LA are trying to help recreational fishermen Gulf wide by beginning a cutting edge forward moving plan involving not only Charter for hire businessmen, but fishery managers and environmental agency's to save red snapper from being over fished resulting in long term healthy stocks for generation of recreational anglers to catch ( damn I am beginning to sound like you ).
And the last item was discussion on counting the customers that have fished with us the last few years and this up coming year as later ammo for when the Separation debate comes up . That is a brief over view from the meeting . I am cc this to the folks that were there and if any of you guys want to add anything for Jeff please feel free. See Ya Jeff Gary

Jeff Barger

Regional Fisheries Project Coordinator

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Jeff Barger joined Environmental Defense’s Austin, TX office in August of 2006 as a project coordinator for the Gulf of Mexico fisheries project. He is working to advance innovative, market-based strategies to improve recreational fisheries management throughout the Gulf of Mexico region.

Prior to joining Environmental Defense, Barger worked as an aquatic habitats specialist for the National Wildlife Federation where he organized a diverse group of interests to develop equitable alternatives to several water development projects that threatened critical wildlife habitat in the Lower Mississippi Alluvial Valley. He has also served as a restoration biologist for The Nature Conservancy. Post-graduate training included investigations of the structure and function of freshwater systems of the intermountain west and the role terrestrial-aquatic linkages play in stream nutrient dynamics.

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B.S – Biology, University of Central Arkansas

Click on below web link and you will see that the Environmental Defense Fund was responsible for infusing $505,000 of lobby dollars into the political system in 2008. http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=Environmental+Defense+Fund&year=2008

Money talks and bs + recreational fishing rights walk...

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Jeff Barger

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