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Posted 1/3/2009 12:13:09 PM


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So I'm going to caveate this post with trying to keep suggestions meaningful.  I know spike-strips and throwing items at a vehicle are all great ideas to keep a guy from going through our small subdivision at 65 mph, but I'm looking for realistic suggestions.

Situation:  there are a lot of children in my subdivision.  I don't have kids, but I like to do anything I can to keep our neighborhood a safe environment for them to be in and play in.  Mickanole lives across the street from me, and we had speedbumps put in the subdivision to slow down traffic.  This has worked great in the areas where the speedbumps are, but with a few punks that live down the street from me, it has become a virtual drag-race down between speedbumps, with speeds getting just rediculously fast down the street.  I've tried yelling at them as they pass to slow down, and all I get is the finger and a horn-honk.

So what are my options?  When I first PCS-ed here to Hurlburt, I was briefed by the Okaloosa Sheriff Department that if I had this sort of problem, they would set up a speedtrap in the neighborhood.  The problem is that I live in Santa Rosa County, and I'm not sure it works the same way.  In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options?

I'm all ears.

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Posted 1/3/2009 12:23:12 PM
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how did you guys manage to get the first set of bumps put in? was it done via the sub division or did the county come and put them in?. maybe it will require the people on the street to contact the main people of the sub. to have more put in at the trouble locations?.

and unless its private roads i know you cant just go and buy/make your own but you can harrase the city/county untill they have more put in

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Posted 1/3/2009 12:27:31 PM
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Get a kid manikin, A skate board, some strong line,Wait untill dark,Wait on the one punk whos the leader of them, As he's coming down the road flying, Pull the line, the kid will roll out in front of them & bam. Bet they wont even stop.But they will crap thier pants & hopefully put some fear in them. P"S", this might get you in trouble somehow. "WHEN all else Fails that IS".: I"ve done similar things in the past.
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Posted 1/3/2009 12:27:55 PM


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fishingfromagunship (1/3/2009)
 In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options? I'm all ears.

Who cares. Call LEO. 65 is way too fast in ANY neighborhood, and goes to show that he/she doesn't have any respect for others...burn his ass.

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Posted 1/3/2009 1:00:15 PM


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Let's try to put this into a proper perspective, what would be more harmful overall, putting a couple of irresponsible young drivers careers in jeopardy for being total morons or permanently putting some unsuspecting young child's life in jeopardy by looking the other way??

I don't know how it is now in the military but when I was a member there was a code of conduct and some hard time doled out for those who couldn't follow the proper rules and regulations of the area in which they lived.

Have you been able to confront them one on one yet about their behavior?? Jeez, they aren't gonna get any better if they aren't aware of the concerns of the neighborhood. Maybe if you stopped by their house and told them exactly why you are upset they would understand or maybe they wouldn't but I think that you have to make an attempt before you proceed with any other options.  If that came to no good, I would try to find out for sure if they are in the military, that shouldn't be too difficult and then go directly to their NCOIC and maybe have a video of them flipping you off on their way by your house!! Tell their honcho that you are tired of them putting children's lives at risk in your neighborhood for the mere sake of showing off.

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Posted 1/3/2009 1:39:45 PM
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Situation:  there are a lot of children in my subdivision.  I don't have kids, but I like to do anything I can to keep our neighborhood a safe environment for them to be in and play in.  Mickanole lives across the street from me, and we had speedbumps put in the subdivision to slow down traffic.  This has worked great in the areas where the speedbumps are, but with a few punks that live down the street from me, it has become a virtual drag-race down between speedbumps, with speeds getting just rediculously fast down the street.  I've tried yelling at them as they pass to slow down, and all I get is the finger and a horn-honk.

So what are my options?  When I first PCS-ed here to Hurlburt, I was briefed by the Okaloosa Sheriff Department that if I had this sort of problem, they would set up a speedtrap in the neighborhood.  The problem is that I live in Santa Rosa County, and I'm not sure it works the same way.  In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options?

I'm all ears.

......(from a Highway Engineer) Speed Bumps and Stop Sign don't do squat for speed control. They only frustrate and slow down the law abiding citizen and create a traffic hazard. This is totally an enforcement issue(only solution).  Find out who the Law Enforcement contact is for community affairs etc...and get together a letter/petition from the neighborhood to request increased patrols/speed trap. Ask everyone in the neighborhood to sign the petition (particularly the violators). If they get caught too bad they had fair warning and don't need to be endangering the public by acting irresponsibly.

 

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Posted 1/3/2009 1:40:07 PM


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In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options?

I agree with the reply posts & maybe a stern talking to is what they need... I doubt this would seriously hurt their careers.?

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Posted 1/3/2009 3:57:01 PM


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I remember something like this when I was younger ... there were some residents that would put on a reflective vest and hard hat , and spray painted an old hair dryer Silver ... they would stand out near the road together , one with the Radar Detector , one with a clipboard , and would "Fake" people into slowing down ... IT WORKED too !!

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Posted 1/4/2009 11:43:54 AM
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Don't be worried about hurting anyone's career.  Taking action and getting a d-bag (military or civilian) what he deserves is A LOT better than taking no action and someone getting hurt, or worse.  You can call the LEO dept, give them the street, vehicle descriptions, and times they usually go down the street.  Hell, hide and video tape them if you wanna have some secret-squirrel fun.  If you're in Holley by the Sea, there's cops in there anyway so it shouldn't be too much of a strain on manpower to post someone around there.  I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige.   

Plus, if they are military, they should know better.  We get enough briefings about this stuff and just lost a couple TSgts walking their dogs to a kid in a truck.

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Posted 1/4/2009 12:14:53 PM
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i wouldnt worry about the punks careers. i have kids and have had to face speeders in my little subdivision. i actually got out in the street in front of one motorcyclist (i am one too) and put up my hands to stop him. he stopped. it scared him @W$#less. needless to say he didnt speed anymore down my street. i know, that is stupid and i couldve been hurt. i wasnt thinking of myself, just my kids.

a very famous local celebrity at the marina oyster barn in pensacla used a hair dryer (no cord) all black taped-up and stood at a corner of his neighborhood to foil the speeders. anyone that sees anything looking even close to a radar gun pointed at them will slow down. of course, you cant dress up in leo gear, but wear all black or something similar to "simulate" leo and they'll get the point.

also, go ahead and petition the srso for a patrol. get a petition from neighbors even better. be reasonable (as u already are) and get the srso involved. ur involvement too will be necessary. just be civil. the speeding punks will most likely respect u for doing to them what they cant or wont do to themselves. the others that dont respect u will get what they deserve.

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Posted 1/4/2009 12:42:18 PM
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I've got the same situation developing in my neighborhood as a couple of houses down the road have become rentals and the traffic increased. Same thing, young military guys from Whiting and a bunch of buddy's. I've got a 3 yr. old and a 9 and there are kids all through our neighborhood(single dead end road). My 3 yr old neice was hit and killed 1 foot from the gutter years ago in p-cola by a driver doing over 40 in a 25. I'll be making a house call soon.

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Posted 1/4/2009 12:47:47 PM


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fishingfromagunship (1/3/2009)
  In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options?

I'm all ears.

 

So What, I was enlisted, and If 1 of my guys were causing that kind of trouble in a neighborhood, I would want to know about it!  Look to see what base that they are stationed on, and go from there, if it is whiting, I know I can point you in the right direction.

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Posted 1/4/2009 2:16:26 PM
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Had a similar situation in my neighborhood a few years ago.  Got the tag numbers and called the SRSO.  They were real nice, came in and knocked on a few doors and talked to them.  A few days later they set up at the end of the road with radar and busted one of the same guys.  Since then, no real problems.

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Posted 1/4/2009 9:55:38 PM


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Do your homework, if they are enlisted, find out what squadron and talk to their 1st Sgt.

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Posted 1/5/2009 10:16:45 AM


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I work in the traffic field...mainly the tube counts that go down in neighborhoods & highways, that collect data for various counties & the

state of Fl. Unfortunately, Santa Rosa Co has dropped it's Neighborhood speed counts due to budget restrictions, but that's not to say you

can't have something done about it. If you can get in touch with your HOA have the president call the Santa Rosa Co Engineering

department & tell them your story, they may have other options for you. If they can't help, PM me & I can get your HOA president in touch

with our company's chairman, he could set up a cheap contract to get the Speed data you need w/ percentages of above, in, & below pace

(set speed limit). This data can then be sent directly to the engineering dept of Santa Rosa Co & they can determine if a speed bump or

other speed deterrent is needed. Having the data is the main thing, because then they have no excuse not to proceed forward with things.

Normally they hire us to collect the data, send it to them, they analyze it & then according to the data if the main percentage of folks are

speeding, a speed bump will be installed. Sorry for the short story answer, hope this helps.......also a shotgun & some shells with the

innards taken out just leaving the firing pin is great...basically a mean blank........That should get em to stop long enough to tell em' next

time it won't be blanks....j/k


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In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options?

i was a military police officer up until a few years ago in the army. as long as they dont go to jail, then their carrer is fine. it will just hurt the wallet. if you can get their tag number and know they are a military member, let me know and i will hook you up with an old fried that is currently stationed there and he is an air force police officer. maybe he can help you locate their unit and you can have a talk with their chain of command and try to fix the problem before something happens. also, you can pm SUPERSLAM-XPRESS he works for Santa Rose SO and he might be working in that area but i am not sure. and a career being hurt is a hell of a lot better than a kid being dead.

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Posted 1/5/2009 1:00:21 PM


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Another option would be to contact Jason here on the forum. I believe he is a sheriff's deputy with SRSO. Send him a pm and talk with him. Jason is a great fella, a great input on the forum, and I am sure would be able to help you out without escalating the situation to dangerous levels.

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Posted 1/5/2009 4:59:46 PM


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Do like I did...it worked for me. 
 
I waited and fowled the guy home..I knocked on his door and told him that I would appreciate it if he slowed down while he was going thru the neighborhood. He said I didn't realize I was going so fast...I told him, that he was in fact going way to fast for me and a few other parents on the road way.  Then I walked to the back of his car and wrote down the tag number.  He asked so what are you going to do with that?
 
I said, give it to the next door neighbor like I told him I would do, and then also I told him he was the one that didn't want to come down here and "Talk" to you, so you might ask him what his plans are.
 
Dude drove by and waved a couple of time and then he started using the other street....and I don't see him around anymore.


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gunship, I think I know where you are talking about, like another asked, how did you get the first speed bumps ? Can you get more ? I tried to get speed bumps put in my old subdivision in Texas but because of slowing emergency vehicles IE: Ambulances down they would not allow it. Other than that not sure what your options are.

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Posted 1/6/2009 3:52:48 AM
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  In addition, I'm concerned that the guys are junior-enlisted military, and I may hurt their careers by bringing LEOs into the mix.  So what are my options?

I'm all ears.

 

So What, I was enlisted, and If 1 of my guys were causing that kind of trouble in a neighborhood, I would want to know about it!  Look to see what base that they are stationed on, and go from there, if it is whiting, I know I can point you in the right direction.

 

I'm having alot of trouble with guys from Whiting...A sharp blind curve, squeeling tires and not stopping for the stop signs. I complained to the Board of Commisioners and some "Children Playing" signs were put up. But unless you can get the signs to drop in front of the speeders, they don't help. A neighbor's son was killed by a motorist not stopping at the stop sign many years ago. I'm afraid it's going to happen again. I know there's one in a black BMW that really needs to slow down.

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Good move Hydro Therapy.
And they shouldn't wait until AFTER some youngster gets splattered.
To heck with their feelings and careers, and address it now.
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Posted 1/6/2009 5:17:39 PM
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1.  What our hoa did was hire a off duty Sheriff and it seemed to stop most of the running stop signs.  Ticket VERY expensive

2.  Get video of the car and driver then go to the sheriffs  office  to make a call on the persons door.

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Posted 1/7/2009 11:30:21 PM
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I had the same problem and have tried different tactics with different results.

I have flagged a couple of guys down and asked them politely to slow down.  Most apologized and I never had a problem from them again.  One young punk mistook my politeness for weakness and gave me a smart-assed remark with a smirk, after which I told him this was the one and only time I would bother to ask him nicely.  He slowed down as well.  Followed another home and asked his father to talk to him about slowing down in the neighborhood and he did. 

One Saturday, I grabbed my son and a football and told him to stand near the sidewalk but not to chase any throws into the street, period.  Whenever a car came flying by, I'd just overthrow him by 20' and drop one right in front of the car.  Worked rather well with the older driver's who seemed to take the hint when they had to literally slam on the brakes and stand the car on its nose to avoid the ball.  The one car that I did accidentally hit stopped and asked "what the hell".  I just grabbed the ball and said that if he had been going anywhere near the speed limit the ball would have missed him by a couple of car lengths.

FWIW, I do not remotely obey a single speed limit outside of residential areas unless conditions warrant otherwise, but no one should do more than 25-30 through any neighborhood.  I can't say I followed that rule before I was in my early 20's though, as I can remember a couple of conversations homeowners had with me in my younger days.

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Get a kid manikin, A skate board, some strong line,Wait untill dark,Wait on the one punk whos the leader of them, As he's coming down the road flying, Pull the line, the kid will roll out in front of them & bam. Bet they wont even stop.But they will crap thier pants & hopefully put some fear in them. P"S", this might get you in trouble somehow. "WHEN all else Fails that IS".: I"ve done similar things in the past.

Although this seems comical....it would be a big   KC if you have done this ("similar things") in the past, just thank GOD nothing serious happened  Picture this:   speeder coming by, you pull a "fake out" in front of him, then he swerves losing control and kill/hurts someone or damages property

FFG where in Santa Rosa do you live?  You can call 983-1100 during business hours and ask to speak to a traffic officer.  They have motorcyles and can hide out to take care of the problem. Keep this in mind, they won't give them a nice warning.  They get paid to write tickets and as for hurting a career I have no clue about military life...Need anything give me a hollar brother!!!

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We live in Hidden Estates subdivision by the nursery.  I guess that I pissed someone off, because this morning my mailbox was knocked off of the post and laying in my front yard...

Real mature, and I'm pretty sure a felony, but I digress.  Anyways, I've got to go get ready to fly so I guess I'll deal with all of this later.  Too bad these guys didn't have any real parents to teach them any sort of respect for anything.

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Posted 1/8/2009 6:27:43 PM
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was just reading the orlando news site and there are 2 children down there that seen there father get shot dead because he hollard at a speeder down his road, so take cautions when dealing with the issue, people seem to be on a short leash these days...
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We live in Hidden Estates subdivision by the nursery.  I guess that I pissed someone off, because this morning my mailbox was knocked off of the post and laying in my front yard...

Real mature, and I'm pretty sure a felony, but I digress.  Anyways, I've got to go get ready to fly so I guess I'll deal with all of this later.  Too bad these guys didn't have any real parents to teach them any sort of respect for anything.

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