CAPT. PAUL REDMAN

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My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations James 1:2

If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there your hand will lead me, and your right hand will lay hold of me Psalms 139: 9-10

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My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations James 1:2

If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there your hand will lead me, and your right hand will lay hold of me Psalms 139: 9-10

Thanks Capt Paul see you next summer

sincerily the baitboy

Tony Barfield

Where is that nice Capt Eugene Cooly been lately?

Sorry if I stirred the pot!!! 

V/R
Scott

Robalo R260

Run Dover (1/13/2009)

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Can I ask a Stupid question?  The S O S plan from some of the charter boats will boost this $$$$ number? Seems to me that if you take from our TAC, this # will go down?

Where is that nice Capt Eugene Cooly been lately?

Sorry if I stirred the pot!!! 

HIS NEW MOUTH PIECE IS BOB II.

SEE YOU IN BILOXI

If it ain't fried, it ain't cooked.

I don't undertsand why you think Bob Zales (Bob II) is for SOS. Read below post from Bob Zales on the rodnreel.com forum and clue me in please.

thanks

Mark W

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Re: The truth is being labeled as 'fear ... (TampaTarponator)10:31 PM 11/10/2008
"Since I (Bob Zales, II) am one of the people that Capt Archer and Capt Jarvis continue to attack, let me set the record straight for all to read. First, I have yet to understand why both of these adult, I use the term loosely, men started their rampage on me and my history in fishery management. I have only tried to help both of these people in their efforts, have provided personal assistance to both, especially archer, tried to get both more involved in the management system since 1996, introduced archer to key management personnel, provided much advice regarding enforcement and reasons why fishermen should comply with the law, something archer has ignored on more than one occasion and has suffered the consequences (the last time was just this past year of 2007), provided assistance to archer and jarvis regarding their so called new plan, helped them in their effort to do the math on how many days the for-hire sector will get with their plan of separation (much less than leaving the sectors together), expressed to them the importance of working the plan through to provide answers to the very people they are trying to recruit (they cannot tell you how many days a for-hire vessel will be able to fish under their plan, they cannot tell you how much the electronic logbooks will cost you, how much the VMS will cost you, how much increased enforcement and validation efforts will cost you, if there will be a proposed increase in your saltwater fishing license or vessel registration, what your bag limit may be, how many for-hire vessels they want to eliminate so they can have more fish, and most important since archer, jarvis, and others supporting this plan all have commercial red snapper IFQ shares if their intention is to work to change the current regulation that states the IFQ cannot be used in charter fishing to where it can be used in charter fishing thus making those individuals the high liner charter fishermen for red snapper.)



The statement that I oppose their plan is blatantly untrue as I have not nor do I know oppose their plan. I do not support their plan. At this point they have provided no answers as to how their plan will benefit me or the other for-hire vessel owners in the Gulf. The council staff is currently working on developing a white paper that will provide the pros and cons of some of their ideas, not all. Once that white paper is produced and we see the results then everyone will be able to decide for their self as what benefit or not the plan has over what they have now.



Dennis has made an analogy of a for-hire vessel owner and operator as a Taxi driver. He is not far off as most Taxi drivers are professional, licensed owners and operators and in many cases own special licenses to operate a Taxi (similar to IFQ shares in fishing), they carry passengers from one point to another and in some cases provide advice and recommendations on sights and places to visit, eat, and stay. I made a presentation on behalf of the National Association of Charterboat Operators at a national sportfishing conference (Impacts From Recreational For-Hire Fleets to the United States (platforms providing the opportunity for anglers to fish recreationally) where the economics of for-hire fishing was presented. One has to ask, if we had no customer (the recreational angler) what percent of the recreational harvest would be provided to the for-hire fleet? Since the captain and deckhand cannot keep a bag limit how would archer and jarvis develop their share?


Let me share a quote from one of archers emails, he actually placed this in the email ("....take a look at the latest data released from NMFS. It will show you what we are dealing with when it comes to the "black hole" I call the purely recreational fisherman. They are not our customers but our competition.").

From another email he placed this ("They (outboards, CCA) (and he meant to include RFA) are our competition and not our customers"). Now, would you like to hire this guy when he thinks of you as a "black hole", his words?



I hope this email enlightens everyone as to the facts of what is being sent around. You haven't seen much from Dennis or me on the issue and we have only responded to the personal attacks to correct the misleading statements.


Do the research and judge for yourself. There has been a lot of work done over the years trying to help all recreational anglers to have more days of fishing and higher bag limits. Dennis has worked hard for FRA and his efforts along with many of us are the reason the NRC came to their conclusion and is why logbooks, a national registry, accountability, and improved data has and is being worked on. Ideas of the sos plan are not new, not even sector separation as it has been discussed before and was not pursued, why, because at this point in time with overly restrictive low TACs recreational anglers fish longer by staying together."


Now you have info before you that is being discussed in the eastern Gulf. Archer and Jarvis are attempting to recruit support from TX, LA, and MS. Be aware.




don't let them get to you, Bob. Jarvis is slick, fast talking and all you have to do is hear him speak one time to know he's selling snake oil. I regret not pulling a point of order on him at the AP meeting. He wasn't anywhere on the agenda, yet took over a half hour of our time. Keep the fire under them.




I will try to explain further. I am a full time charter vessel owner and captain and I was also educated in public schools in the 60s and 70 and 71 in Alabama. My family started charter fishing in Panama City in the mid 60s.


I was taught, no matter how you do it, 2+2=4, 4 divided by 2=2, and 2X2=4. The sos guys, archer and jarvis, would use the years 1996 through 2006 for the years to develop the percent of red snap harvest for for-hire and for pri/rec. The math, the way I was taught works out to be approx 61% for-hire, 39% rec.

The sos plan is to establish a control date in the future, fix the % at these numbers, install a vms on each for-hire vessel (cost for vms to be paid by the owner), require an electronic log book for each for-hire (cost to be paid by vessel owner), monthly fee for transmission of data to be paid by vessel owner, collect data for 2 years to determine what is caught and when the for-hire quota of 61% of 2.49 million pounds=1.5 million, is caught the fishery closes each year (or some predetermined # of days that project 1.5 mil caught is issued).


There are currently approx 1400 federally permitted for-hire reef fish vessels. The sos only recognizes 938 of the permitted vessels (217 TX, 93 LA, 48 MS, 133 AL, 447 FL) as qualifying for red snapper and the goal of the sos is to reduce these numbers even further thru such efforts as income requirements, they base days fishing on only 50 pounds of red snapper harvested per boat (includes headboats), and the days work out to be (when you factor in regionalization of Gulf as fishing off each state) TX gets 18% 22 days, LA gets 11% 32 days, MS gets 3% 17 days, AL gets 35% 71 days, FL gets 32% 19 days.


Now the pri/rec sector gets the other 39%, .99 mil pounds and you can then determine how that would work of each state with the % listed above. I have figured every way I can and no matter how I do it, when the rec sector is divided, both sides lose days.

Now when you ask the sos guys how their plan will work they will tell you to trust them and the details will be worked out but please support their plan. We have heard this from the NMFS (trust us and we will work the details out later) and each time what do you feel happened? I think we got screwed. Before I can add support or opposition, I want to see the end result. I cannot support fishing fewer days.


The rest of the story behind the sos plan is that the guys pushing this plan own commercial red snapper IFQ and either fish it or lease it out for profit. There are very few charter owners who own significant IFQ share. They are pushing to change the current regulation that says the com IFQ cannot be used in rec fishing or for-hire fishing. The sos guys want to be able to use their IFQ shares in their charters and charge the "black hole" (archers quote) customer for each red snapper caught on top of their charter price. Now, if the real commercial red snapper guys who own the majority of the com red snapper IFQ decide that they will make more money from leasing IFQ share to the charter guys, then the red snapper come off the commercial market and the market is lost to imports. If this scenario is played out then the current 5 mil pound TAC could be approx 4 mil pounds for commercials and charters and 1 mil pound for the rest of you. Hopefully you can see where these guys want to go.

At this time the council is working on a white paper, the only thing in it that the ad hoc red snapper ap suggested is regional management, that will determine the pros and cons of separation of the rec sector into for-hire and pri/rec, vms on for-hire, electronic logbooks to determine catch and discards, for-hire sector annual catch limits, for-hire vessel accountability measures. Until the council produces this white paper how can anyone support or oppose this info? Clearly no one knows the answer yet but as far as I can tell, separating costs us all days of fishing and we have very few now, in fact Dr. Crabtree stated at the last council meeting that since it appears that the rec sector will be over our allocation again this year as we were last year, there may not be a red snapper season next year.


So my position is clear, I have for years and do support logbooks, of any type, on for-hire vessels because I feel that is a better way to determine catch, effort, and discards. I am opposed to a vms as it only shows you left, where you went, and you came back. A log book does the same.

According to a conversation with DR. Crabtree along with a noted CCA rep, Dr. Crabtree told us a vms can work "if" the states are willing to send someone to the docks each day to validate the vms and that the vessel did leave, did come back, and had red snapper. The "if" is critical here as it appears to me that Dr. Crabtree will now use this as his way to say the vms can work "if" the states are willing to spend the money and time to check them. If the states do not, then his plan would have worked but the states would not help, thus putting the burden on the states. I don't believe the states have the money or personnel to do such checking but I could be wrong.