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Every time I start my engine's it draws power from my electronics and shuts them off. I know it cant be good for them plus its a pain in the a#$. Bonita Dan was fishing with me and told me that I could get something to fix that. I was doing a little research on it today and I believe I need a power conditioner. My first question would be is that what I need? 2. Is one brand or type better than the other?
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I'm no electronics guru but it sounds like you need a house battery and a starting battery to me. After I added my electronics box I noticed things would dim when I started the motor too. I added a battery and installed a battery switch with a little help on the phone from a few PFRFers. It might not ba as cheap as a conditioner (whatever that is) but it would also give you a backup starting battery.
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David, I second that one.....all the way. NEVER hurts to have a second or third battery. Ask me how I know It's a bitch to be at the edge and both batteries are dead...deader then.. 
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| Matt are you only using one battery? I was having problems with my selector switch never shutting out one from the other and somehow water had seeped into it and was giving me similar feedback. I actually ended up removing it and just run my motor from my starting battery and my electronics from my fuse box to the deep cycle battery. I think what Dan was talking about was one off these http://www.marine.com/product_info.php/products_id/6141
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Difinitly go with the second battery and selector switch. If you install it, it should around $100 including battery.
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Sounds like inadequate wiring from the battery to your electronics. A simple voltage drop test can pin point these exact weak link before beating the problem with your check book.
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We had a new customer come in with the same complaint as yours. His electronics were installed by a local REPUTABLE ELECTRONICS INSTALLER and we had found that they wired his electronics to his engine's ignition switch.
I'm not saying this is your problem, but we see stupid stuff like this all of the time.
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TMS...You so right as one or both those situations could be the problem. But a second battery is really needed aboard. I feel a second battery for the engine is like a PFD for ME....you don't need (not considering the required equipment law) either one till you find yourself ass deep in alligators, then what?
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The 2nd battery and one of these is a fool proof no BS setup. Extremely simple to understand by "Anyone" that gets on your boat. No having to remember to switch to this battery or that battery part way thru the day. I do NOT condone running a standard battery switch in "Both". A shorted cell in one battery will kill Both batteries if the switch is in "Both". That is a combine position to be used in a emergency only and then switched back to #1 or #2 after the motor is started.
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All I'm saying is find the electronics wiring issue and repair it before adding a second battery.
Putting a bandaid on the problem can cause more problems and a second battery wouldn't guarantee a fix.
I'm all for additional batteries. It's alot easier to get a jump start on land than in the water.
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TMS (1/22/2008)
All I'm saying is find the electronics wiring issue and repair it before adding a second battery.
Putting a bandaid on the problem can cause more problems and a second battery wouldn't guarantee a fix.
I'm all for additional batteries. It's alot easier to get a jump start on land than in the water.I would have to agree with this. Even with one battery, the voltage drop should not be enough to shut off your electronics. Most (99.9%) of DC electronics operate on a voltage range of say 10-17 volts. That is what my Lowrance operating voltage is according to the manual. Other electronics can varry with their operating voltage ranges. If electonic equipment was designed to run only at say 12 volts, nothing would ever power on. The range is supposed to allow fluctuations in the voltage and maintain proper operation. This means that you are getting too much of a voltage drop when you start you motor. Check how it is wired and what gauge wire is ran to your fuse panel and where your electronics are tied into. You may just need to run a one step up in wire gauge.
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I always have a backup battery fully charged in the cabin. I thought about running it to the electronics fuse pannel but I like to keep that one as a back up only so I dont run it down playing the radio then have something go wrong with my engine battery. I will check on my wiring to see if that maybe causing the problem.
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That is where the BEP unit shines. It automatically disconnects the house battery from the start battery when starting the motor. No voltage drop to the electronics's. It also disconnects the start battery from the house battery should the house battery be pulled down. This gives you a hot battery to crank the motor. It then brings the start battery back up to full charge and automatically reconnects the house battery to bring the charge back up on it.
That whole unit is only 5 1/2in X 5 1/2in
This is all automatic.
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Bobby, I like the way that is setup. I didn't see where that website had them for sale, is there anywhere local to buy one of those or is it best to get it off the net? Also will it cause any problems having the 2 batteries that far apart (one in the cabin and the other in the back) other than having to run the wires?
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You have mail Ocean Man.
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The conditioner that Sam posted was what I was refering to Matt but if Bobby has a better product than go for it. Hes much more hip to the latest elec. products that I am,sorry. Heck,I may just get one myself. How much do they cost Bobby?
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http://www.boatersworld.com/product/196978225msk.htm $159.99
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| Dang Bobby wouldnt it just be cheaper to go with seperate wire to the house battery? Half the time when I had the seperator switch I would forget to flip it over anyway. Also Matt could leave the other battery where it is and use it as the house battery and if worse comes to worse could just disconnect and use for starting battery in an emergency. Surely he keeps an adjustable wrench and a pair of pliers with him. Not trying to sound cheap but.. oh hell yes I am just ask my wife
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That all sounds good when the boat is sitting on the trailer in the yard.
Now let's move to the Bay, as one example.
Your drifting the Bay with your buddy. You guys are into some fish, having a beer and a good time. Next thing you know you look up to see a barge steaming down on your A$$. Oh' Crap, we gott'a get out of the way QUICK!
You turn the key to start the motor. CLICK!
No time to make a battery swap, much less even find the tools. But the flip of the Paralleling switch takes a second and your off and running.
Remember this system is not just to Parallel the batteries.
1]It parallels both batteries to charge both of them when the motor is running.
2]It disconnects a battery from being paralleled when a heavier load or either battery is pulled down to a certain point.
3]It does this all automatically. No having to remember stuff.
4]Any person getting on your boat can understand which switch to turn to what position and they are all in a little 6in X 6in cluster.
Same emergency type thing can happen in the Gulf where you need to have control of the boat quick.
Blue Seas makes a ACR that is cheaper, but you have to buy extra stuff so the price is about a wash. The BEP setup is more compact, cleaner and faster to install.
Once one of these is installed your life will get simpler on the water.
Quality and Simplicity is long remembered after the cost is long forgotten!
Don't be a Cheap A$$. HeHe
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Come on X-Shark...the barge could always just slam on the brakes, or swerve!! 
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