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Mingo
 
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| Would you guys like a 2 red snapper limit and 51 days or would you rather have a 1 red snapper 75 day season? The one snapper limit and longer season is something some of us are looking into. I dont know how many days they would give us at 1 fish, I know that it would not be 100 because of discard mortality but lets just say they are thinking of around 50 days at 2 or 75 days at 1 which one would you chose. Im torn on issue both options really suck so its hard for me to choose. What do yall think?
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I bet youd be hard pressed to find someone who would want only 1 fish and 20 more days
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2 fish. Why burn the same amount of gas for 1 fish and only a few more days.
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Dylan (2/9/2010)
I bet youd be hard pressed to find someone who would want only 1 fish and 20 more daysRecreational fishermen are going to want 2 fish and 51 days over 1 fish and 70 days I would think. Charter boat captains probably want 1 fish limit and 20 more days....they would be able to sell 'red snapper' charters for 20 more days and charge the same amount for the charter no matter whether the limit is 1 or 2 ARS. The original poster of the thread is a charter boat captain, so you see why he may prefer 1 fish limit 70 day season...$$$$$$$$$.
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2 fish for fewer days is what I pick.
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Brad, I agree...Its a funny convo on the party boat when you tell those people it has to go back in the drink..
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| If I spend the money to go off-shore I want something to show for it.
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| I dont really know which would be better for business. I have plenty of business questions to answer for myself first like, will my charters still pay $1000 for a 6 hour and only 1 snapper? I know they will pay it for 2 we had a banner season last year durring the snapper season on 6 hour trips. Or will they just want to go on 4 hour trips and catch 6 snapper that would cost me $300 bucks per trip. If I loose a bunch of 6 hour trips because of it durring peak time that would hurt. I know that I can run plenty of 4 hour trolling trips in August if there is no snapper season. I know we need as many days as possible but just catching 1 fish would not be too much fun for me. Im leaning towards 2 fish, I sure hope we can get all of June and July at least 60 days.
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Might as well be 2 fish for 50 days if I have to burn the fuel.
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| I would prefer 50 days in Sept and Oct and keep it closed in June and July
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Fairwaterfishing (2/9/2010)
I dont really know which would be better for business. I have plenty of business questions to answer for myself first like, will my charters still pay $1000 for a 6 hour and only 1 snapper? I know they will pay it for 2 we had a banner season last year durring the snapper season on 6 hour trips. Or will they just want to go on 4 hour trips and catch 6 snapper that would cost me $300 bucks per trip. If I loose a bunch of 6 hour trips because of it durring peak time that would hurt. I know that I can run plenty of 4 hour trolling trips in August if there is no snapper season. I know we need as many days as possible but just catching 1 fish would not be too much fun for me. Im leaning towards 2 fish, I sure hope we can get all of June and July at least 60 days. Captain, Pardon me but I have to ask, since you are signed on as an SOS plan supporter. Is this an informal survey in view of the potential for SOS in the charter sector, or a survey done without taking into account the SOS plan at all? In all sincerity I wish you all the luck in the world running your business absent the SoS plan support. Mark
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how about 4 fish for 30 days?
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4 fish 120 day.
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Nat (2/9/2010)
I would prefer 50 days in Sept and Oct and keep it closed in June and JulyOf that 50 days, you would be fortunate to have 25 days that the weather would be nice. Its not even 50 days if you have a hurricane or tropical storms. That may have some asking about IFQs.... Not myself though. I have enough paperwork as it is. I can't wait to feed 4 pound snapper to flipper. That is exactly what will happen right up to opening day and for the month and half we fish after the season is closed. Now... how much sense does that make?
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nextstep (2/9/2010)
how about 4 fish for 30 days?Hope you keep your boat at the marina..Also FWC in full force
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I dont really know which would be better for business. I have plenty of business questions to answer for myself first like, will my charters still pay $1000 for a 6 hour and only 1 snapper? I know they will pay it for 2 we had a banner season last year durring the snapper season on 6 hour trips. Or will they just want to go on 4 hour trips and catch 6 snapper that would cost me $300 bucks per trip. If I loose a bunch of 6 hour trips because of it durring peak time that would hurt. I know that I can run plenty of 4 hour trolling trips in August if there is no snapper season. I know we need as many days as possible but just catching 1 fish would not be too much fun for me. Im leaning towards 2 fish, I sure hope we can get all of June and July at least 60 days. Captain, Pardon me but I have to ask, since you are signed on as an SOS plan supporter. Is this an informal survey in view of the potential for SOS in the charter sector, or a survey done without taking into account the SOS plan at all? In all sincerity I wish you all the luck in the world running your business absent the SoS plan support. Mark Mark this has nothing to do with SOS support this has to do with this year and what the people that actually go to the gulf council meetings are asking for this year. There are people asking Roy Crabtree to see how many days we would get if we go to 1 fish this year. Since the season is set in stone opening up on June 1st this year any dates going past August 15th dont do too much for me, since the customers for me drops off so badly. If there was a way I could get back like all of MAY then I probally would be for the 1 fish.
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[quote]markw4321 (2/9/2010)
[quote]Fairwaterfishing (2/9/2010)
this has to do with this year and what the people that actually go to the gulf council meetings are asking for this year..Captain, Touché. I did not travel to take part in the very gracious 3 minute comment periods that the gulf council allowed for the general public. Please sir by all means, put me down for two fish and whatever days that amounts too. Mark
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2 fish for 50
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I don't understand the reasoning behind the "burning fuel for one or two fish". There are SEVERAL other fish to be caught!!!!! Snapper basically jump on your hooks anyway. We always get the snapper limit in very short order which gives us alot more time to go after other species (AJ, grouper, trigger, dolphin, whities, bb, kings, hoos, sharks, cobia, etc). I'm all for a longer season and a larger limit, if it doesn't happen the snapper are going to eat everything that swims anyway. But IMO people are being too close minded on the subject of FISHING. I have had a few customers with the mindset that if they can't keep 1000lbs of snapper, they would rather stay home???? I think and hope the tides are turning and we will slowly start to an increse in seasons and limits. The science will catch up to what we are all observing and things will be better. Until then, we should not let them discourage us from fishing and enjoying the outdoors due to the regulations on ONE species of fish
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Speaking for myself I'd just as soon stay with the two a day limit with the short season. Are dolphins going to feast on released fish ? They definitely will put on some weight off of released fish. To address another issue, culling. How many more fish are going to be fed to the dolphins because people will catch and cull, throwing back dead fish that flipper may or may not eat? What will the mortality rate be of culled fish that are vented and released? These are the hidden costs related to anglers that cull fish so they can take a sow or two home. There is no way to regulate or control sportsmanship and ethics of anglers, this is something that each recreational angler must do willingly.
Another thing to keep in mind is that some anglers will sit there and catch 50 Red Snapper when they only can keep two. There will be some feeding flipper going on there. Some of those fish even though vented properly won't make it even though they got past flipper. In addition, the fish caught in 200 feet + that are vented and released are most likely going to be 100% fatalities. I can see where the sportsman like conduct of recreational anglers will have an impact on our fisheries.
This year I am going to shoot video and photos of boats that I notice culling. I'm also going to pick up dead floaters and take measurement/pics to post along with those of the anglers and the boat they are on. Maybe we need a "Wall of Shame" for posts like that. I'm sure that seeing ones self posted there would be a serious source of embarrassment.
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I can't agree more on the culling aspect. On my boats I try so hard to one not cull and two not feed flipper. What do I do? First fish with very large hooks and large baits and light line and weight in shallow water on my 6 and 8 hour trips, That catches large fish or nothing. If flipper comes by we start putting fish in the live well and immediately reel them up and put the planners back out with the spoons for a while then fish another spot. somewhere along the way we release the fish in a NO FLIPPER ZONE and give the guys a chance. No kidding them guys are so smart that they get to know the boats that feed them and the boats that dont. Usually by mid season they dont bother us much since I usually fish the same area everyday durring the snapper season, and I will not feed them, not at all.
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[quote]Fairwaterfishing (2/9/2010)
this has to do with this year and what the people that actually go to the gulf council meetings are asking for this year..Captain, Touché. I did not travel to take part in the very gracious 3 minute comment periods that the gulf council allowed for the general public. Please sir by all means, put me down for two fish and whatever days that amounts too. Mark Mark I didnt go over there for the 3 min public comment, Roy Crabtree hosted two round table type question and answer sessions. one on Tuesday and one on Thursday. We sat and all talked asked questions and got answers form the guy himself and one of his top scientist that handles the stock assessment. I learned a lot, a lot of it I didnt like but I learned a lot about what is really going on and why its going on. Roy tries to do this at every gulf council meeting if you can make one it would be worth the trip.
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| The OLE Season. I personally would rather have a 2 fish season. Seems to me one would be short changed if there is a 1 fish-70 day season. 2 fish for 50 days seems to be more bang for your buck. Now the For-Hire sector would rather have a longer season, they pleaded with NMFS at every meeting I've been to for a longer season. FWC and NMFS have told the charter folks to start selling their customers on different species. Now for KIM claiming he would measure dead by catch and video such incidents is just plan crazy. Thats one thing that is wrong with society today, people to worried about what other folks are doing. No its not being an ethical fisher to stay in one spot and catch snapper after snapper after snapper. But that is what this fishery is becoming with the current regulations. Now KIM go find a commercial boat and do this exact same thing. I sure you would have more to measure and video. Go find a For-Hire vessel and do the same thing. Don't just pick on the Monkey boats. I have worked in the For-Hire and the commercial sector and also a Monkey Boat , I know which ones have the most discarded by-catch.
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Sea Monkey I watched about 25 or 30 boats doing that last year. All were center console boats with one exception a 53 Bertram. Commercial people aren't interested in being sportsmen they want profit.
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Sea Monkey I watched about 25 or 30 boats doing that last year. All were center console boats with one exception a 53 Bertram. Commercial people aren't interested in being sportsmen they want profit.Well you can follow me around on my charters this year and video me catching and releasing smaller snappers and keeping the bigger ones. I fish in shallow water 100' or less. A fish caught on a circle hook in that depth will release just fine. Where the hell do you get off coming on hear a spouting off a bunch of crap you don't know anything about? How many years of experience do you have with the snapper fishery? How many days have you snapper fished? How many days a year? I got news for you, if the actual mortality rate on these released fish matched the propaganda bullcrap your spreading here, our snapper fishery wouldn't be the best it's EVER BEEN. Grey 21' bay boat with a 150 yamaha 4-stroke (just so you won't have any problem tracking me down with your camera)
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Sea Monkey I watched about 25 or 30 boats doing that last year. All were center console boats with one exception a 53 Bertram. Commercial people aren't interested in being sportsmen they want profit.Well you can follow me around on my charters this year and video me catching and releasing smaller snappers and keeping the bigger ones. I fish in shallow water 100' or less. A fish caught on a circle hook in that depth will release just fine. Where the hell do you get off coming on hear a spouting off a bunch of crap you don't know anything about? How many years of experience do you have with the snapper fishery? How many days have you snapper fished? How many days a year? I got news for you, if the actual mortality rate on these released fish matched the propaganda bullcrap your spreading here, our snapper fishery wouldn't be the best it's EVER BEEN. Grey 21' bay boat with a 150 yamaha 4-stroke (just so you won't have any problem tracking me down with your camera) X2
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[quote]markw4321 (2/9/2010)
[quote]Fairwaterfishing (2/9/2010)
this has to do with this year and what the people that actually go to the gulf council meetings are asking for this year..Captain, Touché. I did not travel to take part in the very gracious 3 minute comment periods that the gulf council allowed for the general public. Please sir by all means, put me down for two fish and whatever days that amounts too. Mark Mark I didnt go over there for the 3 min public comment, Roy Crabtree hosted two round table type question and answer sessions. one on Tuesday and one on Thursday. We sat and all talked asked questions and got answers form the guy himself and one of his top scientist that handles the stock assessment. I learned a lot, a lot of it I didnt like but I learned a lot about what is really going on and why its going on. Roy tries to do this at every gulf council meeting if you can make one it would be worth the trip. FairWater, I personally saw your boat at the Orange Beach protest, with the SOS and SOF(family) sign. You have some big balls to come on here and ask mostly recreational fisherman, questions to help your business. Not sure how you got Mark4321 to take it easy on you and your support of the SOS, but I am impressed with your brazeness. Have you changed your position on the SOS plan? If you have the Royal King, Sir Crabtree ear, enough to influence 1 fish 2 fish seasons, why don't you tell him the true state of the Snapper health, and propose longer and larger bag limit seasons????
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