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Ruby Red Lip
 
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I have watched the same two boats come rolling by for a half year now and they always patrol water in the depth of six to eight inches..with generators roaring and electric motors stiiring up the sediment on the bottom..the bayou where I live is just beginning to show some signs of recovering it's sea grass..All we need is a bunch of a-holes destroying the delicate layers that are once again are trying to support aquatic marine plantlife..I hope we enact the same laws that govern the tampa area with no motoring inside of a certain depth..the emergent grass lines and seagrasses are much to precious to the chain of life in this area to be blasting with motors of any kind much less a bunch of ignorant environmental rapists that I see pass here several times a week..
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Ruby Red Lip
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Oh trust me I have...the fact is that if I really wanted to or anyone on this side of the bayou wanted to, they could have the boats seized and the people in them..jailed for tresspassing as property rights extend out sixty feet from the shore here and so do properties all the way around the bay where property joins the bay.. except publicly owned areas.....I agree you are right I think I will do that..these are hardened eco criminals not really guys just out for a little fun they need to be jailed ...right thanks for the suggestion.Dumb ass thanks for the input but you are really off target here how about moving out a bit in a more productive zone all the flounder I have caught here have been in the two to four foot zone near structure...these guys,and probably you too stick anything that moves...I am thinking
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bayou boyextra (3/29/2008)
the fact is that if I really wanted to or anyone on this side of the bayou wanted to, they could have the boats seized and the people in them..jailed for tresspassing That would be a long shot...but go ahead and try it. By the way, under which statue would their boat get seized?
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Ruby Red Lip
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Are you you the guy that when I tryed to move out a little farther that dumped his garbage into the water?
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no but lets stay on topic. What statue will the boat be seized under?
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Ruby Red Lip
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I am am thinking the same one that seizes boats that fish in our territorial waters witout invites the marine patrol can and does seize boats found to be inviolation of territorial infractions..with out knowledge but if you are fishing in a no fishing area is not your catch and boat sezed as a poacher?
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trespassing and poaching are two different laws...please educate yourself on it so that you don't look so silly...have a nice night..heading to bed...
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Ruby Red Lip
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that is to say if i don't want anyone fishing here it is a no fishing area, but that is not the point nor is any ones boat going be confiscated here; I am only asking that the guys fish a little deeper we all have a right to these waters..but I have seen so much damage done to the waters of this area in the thirtyfive years I have lived here why perpetuate it by runninig over the same ground..watching your catch go down and your rights to fish depleted you are part of the problem ..let's get to the cure..these bayous are so precious to the extended marine environment..It is the nesting area for so many species..things are better now why turn them back or stall them with careless acts..hiding behind a keyboard really....It is another communication point worth a look... maybe not next year or the year after you will see better results..All I see here are your results ..they suck to what was available fifty years ago...I heard the guys talking below and they had been out for six hours and nailed two fish..flounders I hope but I am guessing a lot of lizard fish met their end also..I fish here and catch fish here knowing that they are probably high in mercury and lead levels..now bottom trawlers destroy huge amounts of fish I used to shrimp in this bay I know..the bottom has been wrecked and disrupted the flow of life in this bay..when I first arrived here you could catch spanish and king mackeral off the docks herein this bayou you have to go to the beach to do that now or near the pass..It is strange because the reason for this bayhou ever to have that privelege was the drwedging of the channell of what is now called white island..in 1940 it was all just a sand bank with no real channel..and when the channel was dredged the pelagic fish entered and fed on the rich stocks of alweyves and menhadden, galss minnow and the like there was no housing in navy point and fishing was awesome...so just keep on asking about rules because the only rule it seems tht you live by is what is comfortable for you..I got no love for you ..you are hungry and without a need for a new crop ..enjoy it you earned it..no laws..no rights needed the truth will set you free ..you have no respect ...for regeneration..you are only on a hungry ego trip..hope you like looking at empty mud it will only get bigger every year if you do..
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Which bayou do you live on ????
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Welcome to the forum bayou boy exxtra. I would love to see your point of view but I cant seem to get my head that far up my ass.
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bayou boyextra (3/29/2008)
that is to say if i don't want anyone fishing here it is a no fishing area,
ONLY if you have applied for, paid the lease fee and been given the lease for the water under your pier and then it DOES NOT include the surrounding waters!
DON"T take me wrong . . I am in favor of protecting our sea grasses. Your rant just don't hold water. (pun intended)
Life isn't about waiting for the storms to pass.
It's about learning to FISH in the rain!!
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I agree with this!!! what bayou do you live on bayou boy extra???
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| just my 2 cents worth. I know you are upset, but going out and confronting people is not going to help. people you meet there might not be as nice as the one's here. i'm a nurse in an emergency room, and have seen many case where a simple talk ended up in a person going to ICU. I am all for conservation too, but you don't own the water, and ibelieve that according to florida law anyone can fish from your dock, as long as they do not enter from the land, therefore it is not trespassing. if anyone knows, please verify.
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| I agree w/ I lost our 18 year old son in a mva a few years back, and I know that all of us loose people we love and can't do anything about it. My thing is w/ you fussing about someone liking to fish in your water is that I live for the day and yes I am concerned for the environment and your bayou too! However, back in the day, you say you could catch all those fish you listed in your bayou. Imagine that! Where'd all those fish go? Hmm? Maybe you caught all of them and didn't leave any for our enjoyment and now we get to catch what is left. Life's too short to be worried about those guys you see out there having the time of there life Floundering! You should try it sometime and just see what kind of memories you'd get along with your family and friends. Love the ones you still have left and make sure you know who you're judging before you are so hasty about them being in "your" water! Those guys you see out there in "your" water might really be going through some very hard times in life, and there is no one on earth that can make a person heal ! It has to come from above! Please lighten up and try to make friends in life! Floundering doesn't cause Global Warming Mr. Gore!
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Go hug a tree!
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| My wife keeps driving over the corner of our yard and the grass is dead. I can't get it through her head that she is killing the natural habit of the mole cricket. Her response is, "Oh well, they will just have to move over to the other side of the yard". She's right, they moved and I think they like it over there. There certainly does seem to be an abundance of them. I think I'm going to sell her car, then she can quit her job and quit going to the store and taking care of the kids. I won't mind though, at least the mole cricket won't go into extinction. Lighten up dude.
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| The State of Florida owns all of the land under water up to the highest tide mark. If storms regulary brings the water higher, they oun that land also as per the State. You can not fish off of a persons' pier even if you do not use his land to get on it. If he has gotton all the permits needed and had it built, it belongs to him and is not for public use. That is like if some one leases the land on Pensacola Beach and builds a house, you can not just walk in and stay in their house just because Escambia County owns the land.
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| OK.....my $.02......anyone who thinks they OWN the water (or the land under it) has already lost me on any argument they are trying to make. However, he does make a valid (maybe) point in that even a trolling motor can damage grass beds (he didn't say what kind of "bottom" in question). We've probably all seen aerial photos of prop scarred grass beds.....not a pretty site. Yeah, I gig right up to the shoreline on occassion (as is my right), but I try to either lift my TM so as not to tear up the bottom, or pole in and back out. I take special care when working grass beds. Just seems like the right thing to do. GIG ON!
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| I don't fish that area, but I think I've run across 3 or 4 different docks in the past couple months with people on them. They always seem cordial and interested in what I'm doing. Alot of times I sit and chat with them for 10 or 15 minutes. I don't run a generator or motor. They usually see me coming from a long ways off, way before I notice anybody on a dock ahead of me. As I pole up to where they are, more often than not, they are fishing and offer to take in there lines and let me pole by. Of couse I don't want to impose upon them but they seem happy for me to show them some fish and tell them about flounder. I think I may start giving out a flounder or two to personable people. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've encountered any negativity while floundering. The few boats I've seen fishing in the same area usually give a "Hello" and a little conversation as well, if we happen to cross in any proximity to each other. When people flounder in "my" bayou, I hope they get some. As long as they don't steal anything, I hope they gig one under my boathouse. I don't think electric trolling motors are the destroyers of grass in the shallows of bayous. I can't count the number of redfish I could have gigged over the years and didn't. I'm also unable to convey the great appriciation that I have gained of the marine environment from flloundering. Everybody in the world is not trying to F you over, sir. If you don't want anybody to use "your" water, then pay some fees, get your permits, fence it off, and post some signs. 
Oh, and those guys that do bother you, they ARE entitled to use you water, whether you like it or not. Just as you are entitled to complain about it. Call FWC on them, and they will tell you that they're sorry and to go back to bed.
... seemed like a good idea at the time... p.s. - If it smells like fish, eat it!
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It is good to see such a response..... obviously tree huggers are out here in favor a great picture of your one or two fish ..just scratching the legal limits..I guess some of you know bayou grande..why don't you go flounder on the southern side of the bayou and find out about the difference between poaching and trespassing and it is not owned by the state of florida..the east side of this bayou is grandfathered in all property owners here have rights out sixty feet..again that is not the point... all people here don't bother fishermen it has been a tradition here for many years, but why destroy something as it is recovering after thirty years of desolation..seasonal grasses are beginning to grow here again but I have personally seen more often than not jet skiers and the flounder people churning the grass beds..although the jet skiers destroy the bottom strata way quicker..I used to flounder these areas on foot with a coleman lantern and do just fine..a push pole and no noise would yield alot more productive nights but that would involve a healthy amount of exercise..it is unfortunate that most of the posts I have seen here are worthy of the jerry springer show..or less, but I did put a thought into your heads about preservation of the ecosystems..reliant on the physical stresses we exert on them..
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it sounds like bayou just gives a rats ass about the bayou,why dog somebody that cares.i wade the flats all the time and i see the damage done in other areas by dipshit boat owners.hell,last year i got to see 2 people thrown out of a boat because of coming in to fast and nailing the sand at shoreline.this was at 3 am,flounder gigs in the rod holders.
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Okay Bayou, if you think you've gotten your point accross to all of us, hurry! you can still walk the mall and get your exercise! It don't open till 10:00am! Safe boating is part of the package, you need to go to a jet ski forum and take your tree spooning with you!
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it is so sweet to see the mall walkers out there and the ones that have it on their mind for the future(you I am thinkin) I still surf in costa rica..that is better than being locked in to your plan for life..Oh for the guys that think you have to lease your property rights ..bullshit..I live for real in bayou grande..or for any other bayou here...why don't you just dock yor boat at any one of the many docks that extend into the bayous and bays around here since they are public property I am very sure your vessels would all be there upon yor return..right?..if you want to build beyond the sixty or fifty eight foot limit you will have to submit a plan and lease the area covered from the governing body..or if you erect for commercial purposes impact studies and appropriate visceral fee's would be imposed..after living here for fity years I would say that the government is not interested in environmental issues if it interferes with their tax basis..but I would like to see you guys again just find a plic zone like at the end of my street and walk out with a spot light like I used to and gig five or six sweet tasting flat fish it could be that way..not in my life time but I would like to think people exceed their chemical flexations for and enlightened view beyond what has been supplied to them by their governmentsl
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| You sir were sure thinking of the enviroment when u bulldozed down the lot u built your house on the bayou and then go and sink pressure treated wood in our precious enviroment so u can stand on your dock and bitch about some guys in a john boat with a electric motor stickin a few flounder. not to mention your manicured lawn that u've dumped chemicals and fertilizers on and your septic tank that's leachin into the water and on and on....etc. You want me to believe your all about the enviroment then level that house, pull up the dock and seawall and replant what u've already destroyed in sea oats and marsh grass and then go sell your cars, any other internal combustion machines, like lawnmowers, weedeaters and such, quit using electricity cause all your doin is destroyin the enviroment i have to live in every day. don't pick one thing to complain about when your just as much to blame about the destruction of the enviroment as anyone else. oh and btw, i'd fence in that 60 feet of water u say u own just in case someone drowns in it. u'd be held responsible....
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You sir were sure thinking of the enviroment when u bulldozed down the lot u built your house on the bayou and then go and sink pressure treated wood in our precious enviroment so u can stand on your dock and bitch about some guys in a john boat with a electric motor stickin a few flounder. not to mention your manicured lawn that u've dumped chemicals and fertilizers on and your septic tank that's leachin into the water and on and on....etc. You want me to believe your all about the enviroment then level that house, pull up the dock and seawall and replant what u've already destroyed in sea oats and marsh grass and then go sell your cars, any other internal combustion machines, like lawnmowers, weedeaters and such, quit using electricity cause all your doin is destroyin the enviroment i have to live in every day. don't pick one thing to complain about when your just as much to blame about the destruction of the enviroment as anyone else. oh and btw, i'd fence in that 60 feet of water u say u own just in case someone drowns in it. u'd be held responsible....  
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| Florida Statutes: "While the dockage may be the property of a private owner, title to submerged tidal lands remains in the state." Sorry bud, you have absolutely zero rights to any waterway up to mean high tide.
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hardcorehare (4/3/2008)
You sir were sure thinking of the enviroment when u bulldozed down the lot u built your house on the bayou and then go and sink pressure treated wood in our precious enviroment so u can stand on your dock and bitch about some guys in a john boat with a electric motor stickin a few flounder. not to mention your manicured lawn that u've dumped chemicals and fertilizers on and your septic tank that's leachin into the water and on and on....etc. You want me to believe your all about the enviroment then level that house, pull up the dock and seawall and replant what u've already destroyed in sea oats and marsh grass and then go sell your cars, any other internal combustion machines, like lawnmowers, weedeaters and such, quit using electricity cause all your doin is destroyin the enviroment i have to live in every day. don't pick one thing to complain about when your just as much to blame about the destruction of the enviroment as anyone else. oh and btw, i'd fence in that 60 feet of water u say u own just in case someone drowns in it. u'd be held responsible.... You hit the nail on the head!!!!
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Ruby Red Lip
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| Beware of trolls! This guy is not for real, just trying to stir things up.
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| I think that there are two exceptions to the rule that "Knot" quoted. First would be related to land that was originally deeded under the old system of Spanish land grants. Second would be land that has been excavated to create a waterway. We went through this a couple of years ago on the old forum. I personally would like to view the deed that contains the ownership of the land waterside of the mean high water mark. Maybe the OP could give us a property ID or an address so we could all look it up in the county records.
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